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After the taste of Crapless Craps in our Stratosphere video, there were lots of questions about Crapless Craps. Many people – even some veteran craps enthusiasts – had never heard of Crapless Craps, much less seen the game.
So in the interest of completeness, I've decided to include an episode of Crapless Craps into the RoadGambler video library.
If you've never heard of Crapless Craps, here is the game, explained: https://roadgambler.com/craps/crapless-craps-crap/
While it's helpful to read about a game, it's even better to learn by seeing the game in action.
Craps Vs Crapless Craps Game
This game was at New York – New York Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. There is one Crapless Craps table at the New York – New York, and it's usually pretty full. The floor supervisor was watching over the game and explaining (and disclaiming) to every person who entered the game that ‘this is a Crapless Craps table' and not a traditional craps game. If you listen to him, he does a good job of explaining the rudimentary aspect of the game.
We hope you enjoy this video.
If there is more demand, we will include more episodes of Crapless Craps in the Real Craps Game series. Let us know what you think in the comments below.
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Since the Stratosphere video came out, people have been asking ‘what is Crapless Craps'?
Before I begin, I will assume that the reader already understands and knows how to play craps, i.e, ‘traditional' craps aka ‘craps'. If you do not know how to play craps, then forget crapless craps for a moment. Go binge watch all my YouTube videos, ask me some questions here on RoadGambler.com (I respond), and then come back for Crapless Craps.
Also, for the sake of clarity, anytime I mention the word ‘craps' by itself, I am referring to the traditional game.
Let's discuss Crapless Craps!
WHAT IS CRAPLESS CRAPS?
Crapless Craps is a variant of craps that plays exactly like traditional craps, but with the following rule change:
- On the Come Out roll, 2, 3, 11, and 12 are not natural winners or losers, rather, they become the point.
- If the 2 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 2, then the 2 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 2 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 3 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 3, then the 3 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 3 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 12 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 12, then the 12 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 2 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 11 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would win; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 11, then the 11 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 11 to win, and the 7 would lose.
The 2, 3, 11, and 12 are now point numbers, referred to as the ‘extreme outside' numbers.
One other difference is that there is no dark side betting in Crapless Craps; meaning there is no Don't Pass or Don't Come, and the player may not lay odds or bet against.
All other rules remain the exact same, meaning that on a come out roll, the 7 is a natural winner.
All differences between Crapless Craps and craps are from the above singular rule change.
This rule change also means that the pass line and come bets have a house edge of 5.382% (citation, Wizard of Odds) versus 1.41% for traditional craps.
I will now explain the differences that result from the rule change.
If a craps rule is not mentioned below, then the rule remains the same from traditional craps to Crapless craps. For example, place bets of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10 are not mentioned, thus those place bets are unchanged. Same goes for field bets, hardways 4, 6, 8, and 10 are not mentioned, those bets remain the same from traditional craps to Crapless Craps.
HOW CRAPLESS CRAPS IS PLAYED
Crapless Craps is played exactly like traditional craps, with the difference that when a 2, 3, 11, or 12 is rolled on the come out, the dealers will now mark the point of 2, 3, 11, or 12.
Witness the board, with the 2, 3, 11, and 12 as the ‘box' numbers…
In the pic below, 12 is the point.
If the point is 2, 3, 11, or 12 the player may then take odds bets on those points. Odds bets on those points are subject to the same minimum and maximum as traditional craps. I have never been to a casino where the odds from craps were different from Crapless Craps. At the El Dorado casino in Shreveport, Louisiana, the craps tables and the Crapless Craps tables all have 100x odds. Discussion of the odds bets will follow.
In addition to taking odds on the 2, 3, 11, and 12, the player may also bet the 2, 3, 11, or 12. Discussion of the place bets will follow.
THE CRAPLESS CRAPS ODDS BET
If the point is 2, 3, 11, or 12, the player may take the following odds, subject to the table maximum.
- Point is 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 6-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $600.
- There are six ways to lose and only one way to roll a winner, thus 6-1.
- For example, if point is 2 then the losing combinations are 1+6, 6+1, 2+5, 5+2, 3+4, and 4+3 (six ways), while the only possible winning combination is 1+1 (one way). The similar condition for the 12, in which the only winner is 6+6.
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 3-1 meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $300.
- There are six ways to lose and two ways to roll a winner, thus 6-2, i.e., 3-1.
- For example, if point is 3 then the losing combinations are 1+6, 6+1, 2+5, 5+2, 3+4, and 4+3 (six ways), while the only possible winning combinations are 1+2 and 2+1 (two ways). The similar condition for the 11, in which the winning combinations are 5+6 and 6+5.
Similar to craps, the player may also take the same odds bets on the come bet if the 2, 3, 11, or 12 rolls.
The odds bet pays true odds. The only caveat is that the player must make a pass line or come bet to take advantage of the odds bet.
THE CRAPLESS CRAPS PLACE BETS AND BUY BETS
The player may also make place bets on the 2, 3, 11, and 12.
- Place bet of 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 11-2, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $550.
- The house edge with the place bet of 2 or 12 is 7.143% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 11-4 meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $275.
- The house edge with the place bet of 3 or 11 is 6.25%.
As a reminder, all other place bets in Crapless Craps are exactly the same as traditional craps.
Due to the high place house edge on the place bets, RoadGambler recommends avoiding place bets on the 2, 3, 11, 12.
The wiser way to play the 2, 3, 11, and 12, if the player would like ‘extreme outside' action is to buy the 2, 3, 11, or 12. If the player buys the extreme outside numbers, the player must pay a 5% commission, but will then receive a true odds payout. Most casinos, according to my experience, charge commission as soon as the player makes the bet.
- Buy bet of 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 6-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $600.
- Commission is $5 for $100 bet. Thus the player will pay a net $595 versus $550 on a place bet of 2 or 12.
- Thus, by risking an additional $5 upfront, the player will win an additional $45 net.
- House edge on the typical ‘pay upfront' scheme is 4.76% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 3-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $300.
- Commission is $5 for $100 bet. Thus the player will pay a net $295 versus $275 on a place bet of 3 or 11.
- Thus, by risking an additional $5 upfront, the player will win an additional $20 net.
- House edge on the typical ‘pay upfront' scheme is 4.76% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
RoadGambler advice: RoadGambler recommends that the player should avoid place bets on the 2, 3, 11, 12, and instead buy those numbers, if the player wants extreme outside action without pass line or come betting.
FINAL ADVICE
Craps Vs Crapless Craps Game
This game was at New York – New York Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. There is one Crapless Craps table at the New York – New York, and it's usually pretty full. The floor supervisor was watching over the game and explaining (and disclaiming) to every person who entered the game that ‘this is a Crapless Craps table' and not a traditional craps game. If you listen to him, he does a good job of explaining the rudimentary aspect of the game.
We hope you enjoy this video.
If there is more demand, we will include more episodes of Crapless Craps in the Real Craps Game series. Let us know what you think in the comments below.
Posted in: Casino, Craps, Gambling
Since the Stratosphere video came out, people have been asking ‘what is Crapless Craps'?
Before I begin, I will assume that the reader already understands and knows how to play craps, i.e, ‘traditional' craps aka ‘craps'. If you do not know how to play craps, then forget crapless craps for a moment. Go binge watch all my YouTube videos, ask me some questions here on RoadGambler.com (I respond), and then come back for Crapless Craps.
Also, for the sake of clarity, anytime I mention the word ‘craps' by itself, I am referring to the traditional game.
Let's discuss Crapless Craps!
WHAT IS CRAPLESS CRAPS?
Crapless Craps is a variant of craps that plays exactly like traditional craps, but with the following rule change:
- On the Come Out roll, 2, 3, 11, and 12 are not natural winners or losers, rather, they become the point.
- If the 2 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 2, then the 2 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 2 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 3 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 3, then the 3 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 3 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 12 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would lose; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 12, then the 12 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 2 to win, and the 7 would lose.
- If the 11 rolled on the Come Out in craps, the player would win; but in Crapless Craps, if the Come Out roll is 11, then the 11 is the point. The player would then need to roll the 11 to win, and the 7 would lose.
The 2, 3, 11, and 12 are now point numbers, referred to as the ‘extreme outside' numbers.
One other difference is that there is no dark side betting in Crapless Craps; meaning there is no Don't Pass or Don't Come, and the player may not lay odds or bet against.
All other rules remain the exact same, meaning that on a come out roll, the 7 is a natural winner.
All differences between Crapless Craps and craps are from the above singular rule change.
This rule change also means that the pass line and come bets have a house edge of 5.382% (citation, Wizard of Odds) versus 1.41% for traditional craps.
I will now explain the differences that result from the rule change.
If a craps rule is not mentioned below, then the rule remains the same from traditional craps to Crapless craps. For example, place bets of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10 are not mentioned, thus those place bets are unchanged. Same goes for field bets, hardways 4, 6, 8, and 10 are not mentioned, those bets remain the same from traditional craps to Crapless Craps.
HOW CRAPLESS CRAPS IS PLAYED
Crapless Craps is played exactly like traditional craps, with the difference that when a 2, 3, 11, or 12 is rolled on the come out, the dealers will now mark the point of 2, 3, 11, or 12.
Witness the board, with the 2, 3, 11, and 12 as the ‘box' numbers…
In the pic below, 12 is the point.
If the point is 2, 3, 11, or 12 the player may then take odds bets on those points. Odds bets on those points are subject to the same minimum and maximum as traditional craps. I have never been to a casino where the odds from craps were different from Crapless Craps. At the El Dorado casino in Shreveport, Louisiana, the craps tables and the Crapless Craps tables all have 100x odds. Discussion of the odds bets will follow.
In addition to taking odds on the 2, 3, 11, and 12, the player may also bet the 2, 3, 11, or 12. Discussion of the place bets will follow.
THE CRAPLESS CRAPS ODDS BET
If the point is 2, 3, 11, or 12, the player may take the following odds, subject to the table maximum.
- Point is 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 6-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $600.
- There are six ways to lose and only one way to roll a winner, thus 6-1.
- For example, if point is 2 then the losing combinations are 1+6, 6+1, 2+5, 5+2, 3+4, and 4+3 (six ways), while the only possible winning combination is 1+1 (one way). The similar condition for the 12, in which the only winner is 6+6.
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 3-1 meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $300.
- There are six ways to lose and two ways to roll a winner, thus 6-2, i.e., 3-1.
- For example, if point is 3 then the losing combinations are 1+6, 6+1, 2+5, 5+2, 3+4, and 4+3 (six ways), while the only possible winning combinations are 1+2 and 2+1 (two ways). The similar condition for the 11, in which the winning combinations are 5+6 and 6+5.
Similar to craps, the player may also take the same odds bets on the come bet if the 2, 3, 11, or 12 rolls.
The odds bet pays true odds. The only caveat is that the player must make a pass line or come bet to take advantage of the odds bet.
THE CRAPLESS CRAPS PLACE BETS AND BUY BETS
The player may also make place bets on the 2, 3, 11, and 12.
- Place bet of 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 11-2, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $550.
- The house edge with the place bet of 2 or 12 is 7.143% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 11-4 meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $275.
- The house edge with the place bet of 3 or 11 is 6.25%.
As a reminder, all other place bets in Crapless Craps are exactly the same as traditional craps.
Due to the high place house edge on the place bets, RoadGambler recommends avoiding place bets on the 2, 3, 11, 12.
The wiser way to play the 2, 3, 11, and 12, if the player would like ‘extreme outside' action is to buy the 2, 3, 11, or 12. If the player buys the extreme outside numbers, the player must pay a 5% commission, but will then receive a true odds payout. Most casinos, according to my experience, charge commission as soon as the player makes the bet.
- Buy bet of 2 or 12
- Pay off for a win is 6-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $600.
- Commission is $5 for $100 bet. Thus the player will pay a net $595 versus $550 on a place bet of 2 or 12.
- Thus, by risking an additional $5 upfront, the player will win an additional $45 net.
- House edge on the typical ‘pay upfront' scheme is 4.76% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
- Point is 3 or 11
- Pay off for a win is 3-1, meaning for $100 bet, the player will win $300.
- Commission is $5 for $100 bet. Thus the player will pay a net $295 versus $275 on a place bet of 3 or 11.
- Thus, by risking an additional $5 upfront, the player will win an additional $20 net.
- House edge on the typical ‘pay upfront' scheme is 4.76% (citation, Wizard of Odds)
RoadGambler advice: RoadGambler recommends that the player should avoid place bets on the 2, 3, 11, 12, and instead buy those numbers, if the player wants extreme outside action without pass line or come betting.
FINAL ADVICE
Just avoid playing Crapless Craps. Seriously. I know that might not be the advice you want to hear, but that's genuine and real advice. I've never been to a casino where the only craps option was Crapless Craps; every single casino that has Crapless Craps has traditional craps as the main option (if any reader knows of a casino that has only the Crapless Craps option, please let me know).
I love testing out carnival games and playing all sorts of weird casino games, and I play them out of curiosity. Sometimes, I'll prefer the carnival variation of a game over the traditional game, such as Commission Free Pai Gow Poker. However, in a variant such as Commission Free Pai Gow Poker, the house edge is 2.51%, which is nearly identical to traditional Pai Gow Poker.
The disparity in the house edge for Crapless Craps and traditional craps is just too high. Giving up the 11 winner on a come out is just too much give up. On a point of 2, 3, and 12, even though the player might not lose his bet immediately, the long shot of repeating those points does not make up for the change of the 11 on the come out.
However, if you insist on playing Crapless Craps over traditional craps, here is some advice on how to play it effectively:
- Make sure that the casino rates you higher than if you played traditional craps. Many casinos will rate you on the Crapless Craps pass line and come bets like you are playing traditional craps. For a traditional craps game, earned comp rates on pass line bets are very low because the house edge is low. The earned comp rate for Crapless Craps should be similar to roulette.
- You can figure this out by playing regular craps and asking for your comp rate during your session play, and then when you move to the Crapless table, play for the same period of time, making the same bets, and asking for your comp rate. The Crapless comp rate should be significantly higher than traditional craps.
- Play a high variance game based on hit and run. Hit and run has the advantage in that, while it will not change the house edge, it reduces the number of hands played. You cannot lose money while you are away from the table and walking around the casino.
- Stick to the normal craps type bets, and try to ignore playing the extreme outside numbers unless the chance to bet the extreme outside number is through the odds bet. You will be tempted to place or buy the extreme outside, when the inevitable day comes that the extreme outside numbers are repeatedly rolling. Do not fall for the gambler's fallacy.
- Do not be afraid to take as much odds as you are comfortable with on the extreme outside numbers. The extreme outside odds bets pay true odds and this will significantly reduce the house edge.
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I hope this Crapless Craps guide helped you understand the game. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to leave them in the comments section below.
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